and could mexico be the next venezuela we speak your founder and chairman of the mexican chamber of commerce of great britain even to tilley about what president elect andres manuel lopez obrador means for the world plus is brics it no surprise given the e.u. policy on the jailing of democratically elected politicians on the day new spanish pm petter sanchez meets his catalonian counterpart we get the take of a spanish m.e.p. on the european parliament's committee on foreign affairs jordy so that all this more coming up at today's going underground but first on this day in one nine hundred sixty two singer bob dylan recorded the song that would make him a star blowin in the wind he introduced it by saying it was no protest song later though he said that the greatest protest song ever written was by someone we speak to today we caught up with the grammy award winning artist and film star known for you can get it if you really want tabu they come many rivers to cross i can see clearly now and countless others jimmy cliff speaks to us at a hotel in west london jimmy you're touring across europe across the world the big

talk here across the world obviously terms america but here is the injustice of the war as there is migration and that the moment the european union is cutting down on migrants what is behind this all refugees sub-zero you've heard us of exactly not actually about this kind of migration oh yeah but refugees was triggered by the migration situation that was going on and you know some of the places that caused you know naked across seem. to me come from libya comodo over and so. touching. and. you know as i'm touched by it i expressed that refugee situation has been going on for quite a while so why i mention. jesus christ's went to egypt for

refuge is because the fundamental christianity. and all the more to stick religions for that matter your government is well yeah all the monitors sequel asians you know that came out of aber missive they all in their holy books they write about. egypt as a bad place and yet they are to go there if i heard that. one ghetto in london is a bad place in my son or daughter is in a bad way i'm not going to send my son daughter there but if it's a good place and my son or daughter needs refuge i send them there so it contradicts what they're saying about egypt being

a bad place absolutely not wasn't well the scandal where the prime minister caused a scandal i think even though is the windrush scandal about the deportation of men women and children of africa arabian descent who came in the in the forty's fifty's to build the health service and so on it came as a shock to the elites in this that something like that could happen and they have they lost many of the children in the system there with you heard about the windrush scandal yet there while the majority of the people are void of the knowledge of what went on. in those days before and they came no one teaches children about it is not something that is inconclusive in the school system and all of that so if one wants to know about social justice for real one has to do some research and so you know that is not.

right just right what was it like when you first visited britain from to regular they wanted to send them back where you would be are we talking about when you first came to world nineteen sixty five sixty five yeah. they wanted to send back because. you know the red tape situation passport and you don't have that and you do that and so. fortunately or unfortunately the record company that invited me there were there and you know they can pull strings so say talk all of that one guy's my friend and i can't you know that's how the system or so they could call up somebody and say hey this person is all right he's coming here but when i came out i wanted to go back and replay it.

too far be too cold in this was what do you care so i look around. my wall son did you make of this what i come for you i want to go back however i stayed in. among other things i again a wealth of knowledge used to see that in this story that you helped discover boboli and you're in a welding shop in your acre let's clarify that story is a true this is straight let's make it straight i don't discover them in a welding shop they were both working in a welding shop together and guess what they could came to me and i auditioned him and. he got to some recorded so you'd hear for went back to bob where they used to work and some together and. bob bob said this and together and.

told bob and bob came down and i auditioned them and he got his first songs recorded just the same you know so i didn't discovered i just was the man. no one's heard of bobo you know it is only right but anyway today there was like welcome. a jug of a big waves a little fame was in the twenty first century did you get to meet. strangers thing is. when i went to new york. the they market mccausland speak i was on my way to the border. and heard it don't work oh he's gone so. that's it they were you interested in the in that in the bad store right over the good well as it as it

seemed there in the history books well he was a king he's ok before the veil of speech and welcome to. the jerusalem i don't know you know the media. artist obvious when promote who they want to promote but when you look at that goes to. freedom fighters they pass for kind of different you know malcolm was blunt. just get to the point and maybe seek a violence in him you know fight fire with fire maybe he's sick of that was in him after we left the black muslim movement because he wasn't like that when he was in the black muslim movement martin being a fundamentalist religious man he went about it in a different way so how come

i could identify with a lot because even of experience in the united states and this is different doggedly from jamaica here malcolm street that i. grew up on the street in the new rough life of the street. martin was not like that street man but he was eloquent and he did speak truth as well and this is his cause was for justice too but he went about it different when it comes to the our politics it's a more of these music and in yours people have some great example is music is more explicitly revolutionary your song was used by a former british prime minister to the point that our present prime minister in the oval office what did you make of david cameron using. you can get it if you really

want and this is our prime minister who created the conditions for brics it actually leaving european union. to cameron. to shiver sensitive spot in me. when he came to shoemaker. and we were talking about reparation and he said oh that's a long time ago i don't. know what. the jews did not say that so long time ago they never made the world forget what happened to them who why shouldn't we be paid for repairs and. you said you free slaves freedom with what what what you got to live on but not a penny so where is the repairs so when mr cameron said

that it really touched me deeply in fairness to the authorities in fact there's a moment ok so again you're going through the government says they lose quite a few of the papers about the slaves the assets taken from the caribbean and so on you think that is a live issue this reparations issue of reparations time saluting. it's justice you know it's right it should be here looked at should be done you know justice is justice is like the law of my heart the last poets came on our show and they're still protesting injustice talking about these kinds of issues where where was your education in all this but had to deal with them just as not just that your maker colonial jamaica but around the world

with where did you. read all this marcus garvey from my ira the beginnings that i can remember my father he even though a religious man was a very just man he would never allow any kind of wrongdoing to sleep by on the resign on his watch i mean we can let him be you to you were wrong doing on such a big scale things of you're saying no but you see when a small seed is planted in one. even god was already inside the few grow it grows you have until you don't have it so i already have this d. to sensibly inside of me about just justice i already agreed that was in means a part of me it's a part of my being spite of my d.n.a. . thank you thank you and i say lets up. the

t.v. after the break should the united states fear the new president of mexico we ask the founder of the mexican chamber of commerce in great britain what he thinks president elect oberdorfer means for the future of america and the european parliament's foreign affairs committee is jordi solely on how long you nations will jail the democratically elected politicians don't listen more coming up in bonds or i'm going underground. join me every thursday on the alec simon show and i'll be speaking to us from the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then. i've been saying the numbers mean something they matter the u.s. has over one trillion dollars in debt more than ten white collar crime champions

each day. eighty five percent of all the wealth to be rich with six percent market share thirty percent i just want to hear some with four hundred to five hundred three person look at the first shot then pick one rose to twenty thousand dollars. china's building two point one billion dollars a i industrial park but don't let the numbers overwhelm. the only number you need to remember it was one business show you can't afford to miss the one and only. welcome back elite media continues to paint labor leader jeremy corbyn as a clown but one of his allies has just been elected president of the fifth largest country in the americas mexico's president elect andres manuel lopez obrador all am lho was introduced to coburn by his mexican wife laura alvarez and am low his

widely been described as a leftist but when u.s. secretary of state mike bump on friday how will you work with the trumpet ministration and will ablow offer post breaks it trade deals beyond the u.k. government's current policy of selling weapons to a country in the grip of violent drug war is joining me now is the founder and chairman of the mexican chamber of commerce in great britain evo dutifully eve thanks for coming on let's just begin with who. isn't just by the violent election campaign how did he win well. i think i'm you know he's a familiar face in mexico. and there. has been around in the political scene for as long as i can remember. he is a person that has committed his life to politics. in one side or the other three institutional channels. the p.r.i. the p.r. the and now martin so he's

a familiar face too weary these ones being the old establishment body but he's not i mean he is a new liberal is going to do well what happened back in the late eighty's is that we had the first. separation between two groups in the right the p.r.i. was a party that basically ruled mexico for seventy five years since. the revolution. and it was it was found that the d.n.r. actually my great grandfather founded the piano and i'm going to protest. and be an art was a solution that was created by the various generals fighting in the revolution to buy basically govern with stability. in a pacific way done let's not kill each other let's just organize a political party let's discuss things within the political party but once we reach

an agreement that consensus everyone goes behind the president voyeur and gets confused. obrador he said in the election that these parties you're listening are mafia they're the. state with all these bodies are just a mafia of power would you think government by that well i don't think political parties can be described as the mafia of power by either selves i think you referred to certain groups of people that control the political party it's now the mafia they'll pull their the maffia of my work has been a term used by by by i am long. you know it's a very it's a way he has communicated easily with a lot of people because he's referring to a lot of things without actually explaining what he's referring to you know i'm not has been described by some you know for being an abstract painting you know each

one can understand whatever he wants to understand from his message the norm pejorative way of describing. trump. give us all the old of very very different. how different sort of storage and drop it i mean i am going to seems to agree with trump on after he's not a fan of enough to nor is donald trump. in the third debate that actually it was curious because to agree on many things for trump raising wages in mexico which has been a discussion within the nafta renegotiation i'm agrees with trump trump can see there is that wages in mexico are too low and. that probably what makes them similar is that they both actually care for a majority of the population that has not been taking care of in their own jurisdictions going to the violence hundred five thousand killed during he is i

mean these are sort of syria proportions of death and carnage in fact here there was some controversy over the british government licensing weapons sales to mexico the amidst the maffia of power do you think i will be able to do anything about that. well you must think i think that is something that no one can actually avoid having to deal with. the level of violence has. has because grown to levels that cannot be sustained like you know you could put the drug cartels out of business really close drugs presumably which would terrify which is india jan that think. you know it is not still clear exactly what they're going to do it has been mentioned that there is an intent of legalizing at least canaries. i think the u.s. gets ninety percent of cocaine it's gained through mexico apparently yes and. i think this has to do you know the problem with drugs is international i think it

has to do not only with mexico but it has to do with the whole consumer market in the u.s. you know you cannot go against the economic loss as long as people are buying drugs someone will go and sell them so this is an approach that i think is quite sensible i don't see how you can think about nafta without thinking all the implications of our bilateral relation between mexico and the u.s. it has to the with migration is has to do with security issues it has to do with selling weapons illegally has to do with money laundering and all that needs to be taken care in court the need to wait and trade is part of all that because to the extent that mexico. grace has its level of growth its economic growth in mexico can also raise wages to the extent that mexico can actually you know

bring those that are falling behind in this process to better status economically is going to be the best for everyone i'm not mentioning he's winning speech the point is how to make the conditions in mexico for mexicans not to have to go to the u.s. to work i think in order to solve the migration problem it's not putting a wall it's actually putting all the conditions in mexico for mexico mexican to prosper and be able to make a decent living living producing and be happy in their own country even though due to the thank you you're very welcome thank you for having me. finally now to today's meeting in a palace reconstructed after the spanish civil war catalan president kim tore a new spanish socialist pm pedro sanchez me to madrid after democratically elected

catalan politicians of either being jailed or issued arrest warrants the fate of one of them on saturday of st andrews university will be discussed in edinburgh tomorrow in a meeting between torah and scottish first minister nicola sturgeon joining me now via skype from strasburg is george de soleil he's a member of the european parliament representing spain for the republican left of catalonia and he's on the european parliament's committee on foreign affairs jointly thanks so much for coming on just before we get to the fate of professor glare upon society how successful is being this e.u. catalonia dialogue platform after your paris meeting perhaps it will meet in london next. yes we were last week in some inaction out of. the french founder and the lead it was successful in the sense that we could explain to some friends and b.s. the current situation in. also and of our platform from

the minute of you know about and we were very interested in change of the us and work at. dr. beach from different political affiliations to look at this and that's precisely what we want to do on this data exchange of views and information with and based what about professor claire up on saturday is it understandable that there are fears in scotland in britain now that scottish prosecutors have been given the go ahead on behalf of spain to begin extradition proceedings on the allegations a violent rebellion. we trust the stock this to do so he. already see how the belgian should use it he discovered it or use a location of this turkey just on sedition reveal

a misuse of public funds go away to the station and in germany i'm sounding that which someone we completely address or at least into the city systems. going to the spanish one have to say. like this that goes that characterise. against politicians they don't want members of lower completely destruction right. they have no solid basis and it shows a lack of quality that i will say a ranking. system in spain what is the mood like in brussels strasburg do they understand that around the world politicians everywhere are looking on as democratically elected politicians in europe being i think there was

a report the other day saying well at least they're going to be moved from prisons in madrid to prisons in catalonia do they understand what the data be about and i have you know a very big. if you are a member of. member states of rome defender but in ideological grounds so you can find very different opinions on one on what's going on what i would say. vast majority of the member since this sound of. don't understand the way the spanish government and the spanish estate reacted after the events let's look thought the image and they don't understand it so there's no comprehend. john that perhaps the whole reputation of the european union is now in tatters the european commission president your cursing intervention would cause chaos whatever bedroom sanchez the so-called socialist prime minister does the european union is now synonymous with jailing democratically elected politicians is

that because it is the sixth largest economy is an economic situation because you are on the budget committee while spending is an important member state of the european union not only in its economic sales but also its political weight. and in the middle communion of the our politics just in. the action have been commissioners in and out of the institutions been disappointing it's over some people are saying the e.u. were saying it might intervene in italy for it because italy was perceived to be you can you can the politicians in both of the understand way here in britain people understand breck's it because they don't want to be part of a european union that defacto drowns refugees in the mediterranean jail's democratically elected politicians and seems to act for its own own institutions

rather than for the suppose a devalues the e.u. is founded on the answer to that to my in my mind to maybe you should be. modern direction instead of lessons the russians should be more iraq instead of less of course. one of the reasons that explain. this reaction of the institutions to war or what happened and what's going on in catalonia one of the reasons is that. you know. it's still too much based on the bible. of national states and in that context still national interest. and importance. national states tend to defend themselves even if it implies.

got me a blind eye when elections are on the many ways for you and you want president you to take more power over that's the. to the jailing of democratically elected politicians is the nation state for the liberal but then you know i want i want another more democratic. you took it well to be very strong to be at the strongly against the government's regulates basic fundamental rights jordi thought i thank you and that's it for the show will be back on wednesday the day donald trump prepares to address nato on new priority for the month of war far beyond the north atlantic deal that he would not try social media with you on wednesday twenty three years since a mass killing of muslims instructor in the head of british bombing which would break up the socialist federal republic of yugoslavia a u.n.

court with exonerate serbian president slobodan milosevic over the atrocity in the hague would find hall of partially responsible. across europe municipalities are taking their water supply back from private companies to meet people themselves with simple song alone even find company guess from elsewhere they invite private companies to take over the utilities anybody tell us that. allowed for mr garcia got booked on the pier might be cool. this is. just because they're now looking. out for you and. locals are ready to stand up for the basic human right of access to water it's about water but it's also over. it's about the hurt and the redistribution.

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thanks it means the fact that reports johnson in the u.k. is foreign secretary quits treece amaze embattled government the third minister to resign in twenty four hours over the latest plans for a soft. police say they are still unable to link the nerve agent used in the amesbury instant to the one used poison in former russian double agent back in march but that's not stopping some politicians still blaming russia. a journalist who helped whistleblower edward snowden expose the n.s.a. secrets is branded a kremlin a puppet all because he has attended a cyber security conference in russia. and as the world cup enters its last week our correspondent goes to test the quality of women's football in russia.